Posts by Anna Marina

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Highlights from Book Studies: Other Sheep & Disfellowshipping

by neat blue dog in

a couple of highlights from recent "congregation bible studies" (book studies):.

in one chapter of the jesus book, they spin the part that disproves the "earthly hope" into saying the exact opposite of what is obvious:.

“most truly i say to you, i am the door for the sheep.

Anna Marina

I think they know exactly what they are saying. They are saying the faithful get disfellowshipped and they know it because that is what they are doing. Just look what happened to Ray Franz, let alone ones like myself and plenty of others.

They are also saying if you are a coward like the parents, shut up or else you get'll get chucked out. The Word of God is a double edged sword getting to the truth. The Watchtower is a double-barrel economic, psycho-sociological mind-trap threatening you to shut up and go along with a pack of lies. Abandon your intellect and integrity or else.

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We pray for the governing body

by StephaneLaliberte in

since when has it become cool to pray for the gb?

i noticed that at the begining of my fade back in 2015, it had already been there for a good while and was already getting on my nerves.

i means, i grew up in it, but can't remember much further than the 90s and i don't remember this being always in the payers.

Anna Marina

Chook, I think the prayer is suppose to go along the lines of, 'forgive them Lord they know not what they do.'

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We pray for the governing body

by StephaneLaliberte in

since when has it become cool to pray for the gb?

i noticed that at the begining of my fade back in 2015, it had already been there for a good while and was already getting on my nerves.

i means, i grew up in it, but can't remember much further than the 90s and i don't remember this being always in the payers.

Anna Marina

It is perfectly reasonable to pray for the individual members of the GB. If you do talks, why not include this encouraging point in your material. You may get a surprising reaction.

(Matthew 5:44-45) However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU; that YOU may prove yourselves sons of YOUR Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous

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Shunning Your Children Is No Big Deal....Really?

by The Bethelite in

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the worst form of punishment for any major crime on the planet is death.. however, the second option of imprisonment is way more powerful and popular all over the world.

the most powerful form of imprisonment is called solitary confinement.

by shunning people this is what you inflict on your loved ones who no longer want to be the same religion as you, .

Anna Marina

Jesus ate with sinners. In doing so he was not condoning their harmful ways but seeking to educate them. It was the Pharisees who criticised him and he even tried to help them too.

Although Jesus was attacked, he wasn't lonely. Loving, kind and merciful people who wanted to know about the God of Abraham were drawn to him. Jesus explained that if he was treated badly by apostates it'd be the same for anyone else acting in a genuine Christian manner. Speaking from experience, the shunning policy of the apostates (WTBS) fails. Big time. They are the losers if they want to get rid of those who care about them.

If you are stuck down a collapsed mine-shaft, you don't fire guns at the rescue workers who have come to get you out.

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Why Did You Stay In The JW Religion As Long As You Did?

by minimus in

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were you so indoctrinated that you just couldn’t leave?

was it due to family pressure?

was it your friendships that you didn’t want to lose?

Anna Marina

Hi Phizzy - when I realised there was a serious doctrinal issue I had to deal with, I felt that anyone born-in had little, if any chance to see through the abhorrent deception. I felt that anyone subjected to the mind-control of this corporate monster could not be blamed for the things they did wrong. It wasn't their fault, they were not only being lied to but deceived in a dreadful way. They couldn't help being deceived, what was/is done to them is like a conjuring trick using words but it affects your mind and understanding. It fogs your brain.

Maybe some have knowingly prostituted their intellect or are cowards. Maybe some really should have known better. If so, I only hope they'll become ashamed of what they have done to their fellow Man.

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Why Did You Stay In The JW Religion As Long As You Did?

by minimus in

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friends

were you so indoctrinated that you just couldn’t leave?

was it due to family pressure?

was it your friendships that you didn’t want to lose?

Anna Marina

I joined, not on the basis that it was the truth, but on the basis that as a group of Christian people, this was the best group going at the time.

In my study (1991-92) I noticed things which I felt were wrong and I spoke to elders and my study conductress. The things I noticed were not deal breakers, just grey areas. I was told that if the GB had got anything wrong they would correct it. They were not like the Pope who claimed infallibility. They were not like higher critics who attacked/changed the message in the Bible. So I was lied to. It took some time for me to realise that I was being lied to and that GB would not change their 1914 doctrine as it was the base of their power.

Even down to the very end, before I called them out as standing in opposition to Jehovah's Witnesses, such as Daniel, Ezekiel and Jeremiah, I gave them the chance to correct matters but both GB and local elders were unwilling.

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JASON WYNNE PROJECT

by Eliseo in

we are cooperating with jason wynne’s project.

here you will find the details: https://testimonidigeovaconsapevoli.blogspot.com/2019/07/jason-wynne-collaborazione.html.

jason wynne was avoidjw founder.

Anna Marina

Oh I get it. Sorry Smiddy I misunderstood.

Maybe it's Jason's joke.

Sad fact is younger ones appointed as elders can get puffed up and WTBS knows that an uses it. Since they got elders who were getting elderly to step down, young elders have taken positions of power. So if older ones (who perhaps were starting to smell a rat) are not in-line according to the view of the CO, the CO will pull the strings of the younger ones to act against the older ones.

I expect you can picture other ways their power could be misused. Being horrid to others isn't age dependant.

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JASON WYNNE PROJECT

by Eliseo in

we are cooperating with jason wynne’s project.

here you will find the details: https://testimonidigeovaconsapevoli.blogspot.com/2019/07/jason-wynne-collaborazione.html.

jason wynne was avoidjw founder.

Anna Marina

Smiddy they are not necessarily elderly. Or is that a just your way of ref to elders? Some years back they went to some lengths to get rid of older, and in some cases, more savvy elders. You get plenty of young elders.

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If You Criticize A Person of Color Are You A Racist?

by minimus in

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seriously, it’s getting to a point that you can’t make a negative comment about someone without being charged as a racist, homophobe or sexist!

if you criticize a female, you are obviously sexist.

if you criticize someone who happens to be gay, you must hate homosexuals.

Anna Marina

Things have been ridiculous for years where I come from. At work we were being given training on not being prejudiced and not using discrimination.

So we shown a video on a rude, presumptious deaf person being misunderstood by a receptionist who was an older woman. When it was found out how the older receptionist had misunderstood the request of the deaf person, she was given hell by her boss.

At the end of this video the trainer asked us questions to ensure we had understood the message she wanted us to take away from this session. So I told her I had just seen an older receptionist experience age-ism and watched an intolerant deaf person act in a prejudiced manner.

My answer upset the trainer every bit as much as when I told the elders they were contradicting the prophet Daniel. Ok, I wasn't called an apostate or disfellowshipped but it was close.

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“I got two ticket to paradise!”

by Dagney in

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and i don’t mean eddie money’s paradise.... you just can’t make this stuff up.

.

Anna Marina

Boarding Pass? Surely should read Boredom Pass.

Not sure I'd want to get on a plane that is departing this world. I know what they mean but you could easily misunderstand that phrase. Nice to see they would have everyone travel First Class though. Very considerate.